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  • FerrariasturFerrariastur MegaForero ✭✭✭
    johnjohn escribió : »
    Toda esa **** que no demuestra nada ya la has puesto 20 veces.

    Si Ford Cosworth no quería que su nombre figurase por ningún lado en los motores Fondmetal ¿A que viene ese empeño de atribuirle el origen de esos motores?





    Una cosa son los temas comeciales y otra la realidad.


    FORD BADGED



    <tbody>
    ZETEC-R
    (VJ)
    2000
    (Fondmetal)
    V10
    72
    89 x 48.1
    120 kg
    2998
    15800-16500
    670-690 bhp


    ZETEC-R
    (VJM)
    2001
    (European)
    V10
    72
    89 x 48.1
    -
    2998
    15800-16500
    670-690 bhp

    </tbody>

    COSWORTH BADGED


    <tbody>
    CR-2

    2000
    V10
    72
    97 kg
    2998
    18000
    -



    </tbody>



    Pd: Hay que joderse con la credibilidad
    ford_logos.jpg
    cos_logo.jpg

    "Quiero seguir en Ferrari y ganar el tercer título con ellos, acabar el trabajo de años" 02/09/2014
    "Vengo a Mclaren para acabar el trabajo que empecé en 2007" 11/12/2014

    "Nunca volveré a McLaren". 01/12/2010
    "Dejar Mclaren fue la mejor decisión que he tomado en mi vida". 12/09/2012

    "No pararé hasta ser campeón con Ferrari". 07/09/2011
    [h=1][/h]
  • FerrariasturFerrariastur MegaForero ✭✭✭
    SalvaSR escribió : »
    Veeeenga.


    Ya están liados otra vez con lo mismo.


    No es culpa mia , aqui uno trolleando el hilo.
    johnjohn escribió : »
    "petardi" motorizado por el afamadisimo motorista Fondmetal),.
    ford_logos.jpg
    cos_logo.jpg

    "Quiero seguir en Ferrari y ganar el tercer título con ellos, acabar el trabajo de años" 02/09/2014
    "Vengo a Mclaren para acabar el trabajo que empecé en 2007" 11/12/2014

    "Nunca volveré a McLaren". 01/12/2010
    "Dejar Mclaren fue la mejor decisión que he tomado en mi vida". 12/09/2012

    "No pararé hasta ser campeón con Ferrari". 07/09/2011
    [h=1][/h]
  • johnjohnjohnjohn MegaForero ✭✭✭
    exferrariasturias escribió : »
    Una cosa son los temas comeciales y otra la realidad.


    FORD BADGED



    <tbody>
    ZETEC-R
    (VJ)
    2000
    (Fondmetal)
    V10
    72
    89 x 48.1
    120 kg
    2998
    15800-16500
    670-690 bhp


    ZETEC-R
    (VJM)
    2001
    (European)
    V10
    72
    89 x 48.1
    -
    2998
    15800-16500
    670-690 bhp

    </tbody>

    COSWORTH BADGED


    <tbody>
    CR-2
    2000
    V10
    72
    97 kg
    2998
    18000
    -


    </tbody>



    Pd: Hay que joderse con la credibilidad

    Pero ponlo toooooooodo.

    ¿Que pasa con esa referencia al CR1 como motor European?. ¿No era un Fondmetal ex Ford Cosworth de Stewart (98) que con un renombramiento puro y duro subía milagrosamente de potencia?

    Cuando dejes de creer en toda la basurilla que circula por internet y saques tus propias conclusiones verás lo equivocado que puedes llegar a estar.


  • johnjohnjohnjohn MegaForero ✭✭✭
    SalvaSR escribió : »
    Veeeenga.


    Ya están liados otra vez con lo mismo.

    Aquí solo hay uno que está "liao" por hacer caso de cualquier información que algún desinformado cuelga por la red.


  • FondmetalFondmetal Banned ✭✭✭✭
    exferrariasturias escribió : »
    **** para que buscaba motor un reconocido motorista , con solo meterle mano el de las llantas no habia Cosworth o LPE que se tratara.

    <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/&gt;

    No sabia yo que el tal Rumi compraba y negociaba motores Ford Cosworth para varias temporadas

    <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/&gt;

    Venga siga la fiesta, lo que me estoy riendo<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/5.gif"/&gt;

    JULY 29, 2000

    Minardi close to being sold, says owner

    THE Minardi team is close to being sold, said 70% team owner Gabriele Rumi -- but needs to find an engine supplier to tie up a deal.
    "We can't continue like this," Rumi said. "A Formula One team can no longer be owned by an individual. It needs to be owned by a company involved in communication, because Formula One is all about communication.
    "We are very close to doing a deal but we have to find an engine partner, and there aren't many of those. I can't sell the team without an engine."
    Rumi added that he was chasing deals with Mugen-Honda and Renault but Ford have advised the Italian team that it cannot continue to supply parts.
    Rumi is believed to be negotiating with PSN, the Miami-based PanAmerican Sport Network which is already a sponsor of the team and sends crews to Grands Prix.
    Once the deal is done, Rumi insisted the team would expand, initially with a test team and, later, with an entire new factory.

    Traduccion al castellano por google<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/4.gif"/&gt;

    29 de julio 2000

    Minardi a punto de ser vendido, dice el propietario

    EL equipo Minardi está cerca de ser vendido, dijo que el 70% el dueño del equipo Gabriele Rumi - pero necesita encontrar un proveedor de motores para amarrar un acuerdo.

    "No podemos seguir así", dijo Rumi. "Un equipo de Fórmula Uno ya no puede ser propiedad de un individuo. Necesita ser propiedad de una empresa dedicada a la comunicación, ya que la Fórmula Uno tiene que ver con la comunicación.

    "Estamos muy cerca de hacer un acuerdo, pero tenemos que encontrar un proveedor de motores, y no hay muchos de esos. No puedo vender el equipo sin un motor."

    Rumi añadió que él estaba persiguiendo acuerdos con Mugen-Honda y Renault, pero Ford ha asesorado al equipo italiano que no puede seguir suministrando piezas.

    Rumi se cree que está negociando con PSN, la Red Panamericana de Deporte con sede en Miami, que ya es uno de los patrocinadores del equipo y envía equipos de Grandes Premios.

    Una vez que el acuerdo está hecho, Rumí insistió en que el equipo se expandiría, inicialmente con un equipo de prueba y, después, con toda una nueva fábrica.
  • FondmetalFondmetal Banned ✭✭✭✭
    exferrariasturias escribió : »
    No te jode ...como dije Ford Cosworth era reacio a suministrar los obsoletos motores a Minardi aunque al final les convencieron , eso si, ni querian que esos motores se relacionaran con Ford Cosworth ....solo estaban interesados en los nuevos motores de Stewart/Jaguar.Asi que no se contradicen nada, de nada, de nada


    APRIL 24, 2000

    NEGOTIATIONS for the sale of Minardi to a European consortium are, we believe, in the final stages with the little Italian team likely to be sold within a matter of weeks. The buyers are believed to be intending to leave the team running as it is for the time being but there will be changes in the longer-term, probably with a new factory being set up in Britain. Giancarlo Minardi may, however, be retained to help to run the team. Telefonica, which had been negotiating a deal to buy the team, appears to have lost interest and will continue as the team's title sponsor.

    The details of the consortium are sketchy but we believe that it is led by Mark Muller, the marketing boss of the ISL software company. The price is expected to be in the region of $65m.

    In order to make the team a competitive operation, there will need to be many changes with the most important issue being an engine deal. Minardi currently uses old Ford V10 engines from 1998 but this is proving to be a big disadvantage, although the new Minardi chassis appears to be a very good chassis. The problem of engine supply is expected to be solved with some form of deal with Supertec next year. This will be a lot more expensive than the current arrangement but should enable the team to produce better results which in turn will generate more sponsorship.




    <ins style="width: 728px; height: 90px; display: inline-table; position: relative; border: 0pt none;">NOVEMBER 6, 2000

    HIROTOSHI HONDA, president of Mugen, has confirmed the immediate withdrawal of his company from Formula One at the end of the season.
    Honda announced that the Mugen-Honda badge will no longer supply engines in Formula One, apparently leaving Italian team Minardi in a desperate search for a new power-unit.

    Minardi, who were supplied by Ford Cosworth in 2000, rebadged as Fondmetal had hoped to secure a Mugen-Honda engine next season. But the Japanese company, who supplied Jordan in 2000, have pulled out of Grand Prix racing.


    </ins>
    *Sabemos que los motores Ford son Ford Cosworth por defecto y que fueron renonbrados Fondmetal



    Como colofon veamos lo que dice Rumi

    JULY 29, 2000

    EL equipo Minardi está cerca de ser vendido, el dueño del equipo Gabriele Rumi dijo que el 70% - pero necesita encontrar un proveedor de motores para amarrar un acuerdo.


    THE Minardi team is close to being sold, said 70% team owner Gabriele Rumi -- but needs to find an engine supplier to tie up a deal.
    "We can't continue like this," Rumi said. "A Formula One team can no longer be owned by an individual. It needs to be owned by a company involved in communication, because Formula One is all about communication.

    "We are very close to doing a deal but we have to find an engine partner, and there aren't many of those. I can't sell the team without an engine."
    Rumi added that he was chasing deals with Mugen-Honda and Renault but Ford have advised the Italian team that it cannot continue to supply parts.
    Rumi is believed to be negotiating with PSN, the Miami-based PanAmerican Sport Network which is already a sponsor of the team and sends crews to Grands Prix.
    Once the deal is done, Rumi insisted the team would expand, initially with a test team and, later, with an entire new factory.
    "We are very close to doing a deal but we have to find an engine partner, and there aren't many of those. I can't sell the team without an engine."
    "Estamos muy cerca de llegar a un acuerdo, pero tenemos que encontrar un proveedor de motores, y no hay muchos de esos. No puedo vender el equipo sin un motor."




    Un motorista buscando motor <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/&gt;


    Me parto y me mondo<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/5.gif"/&gt;
  • FondmetalFondmetal Banned ✭✭✭✭
    exferrariasturias escribió : »
    Claro ....todo son fuentes corruptas y Barcenas es solo un delincuente <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/&gt;

    Yo sigo sin ver ni una sola fuente, de lo que afirma, el señor este de Gijon, corrupta o incorrupta<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/19.gif"/&gt;

    ¿Que sera que no existen?<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/&gt;


    Me meo de risa<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/5.gif"/&gt;
  • FondmetalFondmetal Banned ✭✭✭✭
    exferrariasturias escribió : »
    ¿**** ahora me vas a hablar tu de LPE? , no era Fondmetal quien los retocaba a su libre albedrio.<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/5.gif"/&gt;

    Demostrado ha quedado que se hizo con los derechos, pero Supertec de motorista nada de nada, si lo era Renault e incluso Mecachrome que si construia motores de avion.


    Pd:Alguien que a lo mas que ha llegado es a fabricar bloques motor -pero hace lustros - paso a ser llantista con su nieto Gabriele.
    .<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/14.gif"/&gt;

    No, no, libre albedrio no, "los retocaba a su gusto"<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/5.gif"/&gt;

    Al final, Fondmetal va a resultar ser una pasteleria<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/&gt;

    P.d: ponme un piston de **** Grabriele<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/8.gif"/&gt;
  • johnjohnjohnjohn MegaForero ✭✭✭
    exferrariasturias escribió : »
    No es culpa mia , aqui uno trolleando el hilo.

    Fuente, la propia Minardi:

    2001
    M2001.jpgModello: PS01
    Piloti: AlonsoMarques - Yoong
    Motore: European V10
    Dir. Tecnico: Tredozi
    Gomme: Michelin


    2000
    M02.jpgModello: M02
    Piloti: Gené - Mazzacane
    Motore: V10 Fondmetal
    Dir. Tecnico: Brunner
    Gomme: Bridgestone


    1999
    M01.jpgModello: M01
    Piloti: Badoer - Gené - Sarazin
    Motore: V10 Ford Zetec
    Dir. Tecnico: Brunner
    Gomme: Bridgestone


    1998
    M198.jpgModello: M198
    Piloti: Nakano - Tuero
    Motore: V10 Ford Cosworth
    Dir. Tecnico: Tredozi
    Gomme: Bridgestone



    1998 último año de Ford Cosworth.

    1999 se buscan la vida con motores Ford Zetec-R

    2000 Fondmetal mete pasta y reconstruye los motores, LPE es un subcontratada para una parte.

    2001 European hace lo propio.


  • FerrariasturFerrariastur MegaForero ✭✭✭
    Y seguimos con las majaderias .

    -Fondmetal (fabricante de llantas)....una denominacion de motor comprado a Ford que no motorista
    -Playlife (fabricante de ropa) ....una denominacion de motor comprado a Renault que no motorista
    ford_logos.jpg
    cos_logo.jpg

    "Quiero seguir en Ferrari y ganar el tercer título con ellos, acabar el trabajo de años" 02/09/2014
    "Vengo a Mclaren para acabar el trabajo que empecé en 2007" 11/12/2014

    "Nunca volveré a McLaren". 01/12/2010
    "Dejar Mclaren fue la mejor decisión que he tomado en mi vida". 12/09/2012

    "No pararé hasta ser campeón con Ferrari". 07/09/2011
    [h=1][/h]
  • FerrariasturFerrariastur MegaForero ✭✭✭
    johnjohn escribió : »
    Fuente, la propia Minardi:



    2000 Fondmetal mete pasta y reconstruye los motores, LPE es un subcontratada para una parte. Mentira, es Cosworth

    2001 European hace lo propio.

    SITO UFFICIALE
    www.minardi.it click

    Minardi European PS01

    _______________________________________________________________________
    Motor/Engine: European Ford Cosworth V10

    Hauptsponsor/Title Sponsor: European Aviation

    Präsident/President: Paul Stoddart

    Teamdirektor/Team Director: Giancarlo Minardi
    Teammanager/Team Manager: Rupert Manwaring
    Technischer Direktor/Technical Director: Gustav Brunner
    Photos © by European Minardi
    Postanschrift/Postal Address:
    Minardi SpA
    Via Spallanzani 21
    48018 Faenza
    Italy
    ford_logos.jpg
    cos_logo.jpg

    "Quiero seguir en Ferrari y ganar el tercer título con ellos, acabar el trabajo de años" 02/09/2014
    "Vengo a Mclaren para acabar el trabajo que empecé en 2007" 11/12/2014

    "Nunca volveré a McLaren". 01/12/2010
    "Dejar Mclaren fue la mejor decisión que he tomado en mi vida". 12/09/2012

    "No pararé hasta ser campeón con Ferrari". 07/09/2011
    [h=1][/h]
  • FondmetalFondmetal Banned ✭✭✭✭
    exferrariasturias escribió : »
    Y seguimos con las majaderias .

    -Fondmetal (fabricante de llantas)....una denominacion de motor comprado a Ford que no motorista
    -Playlife (fabricante de ropa) ....una denominacion de motor comprado a Renault que no motorista

    No es un majadero, es un mentiroso, en un callejón sin salida, no confundas términos.

    Sigo buscando un motor construido por Ford, en la f1 desde 1968 y no lo encuentro...aunque no creo que vaya a encontrar lo que no existe<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/5.gif"/&gt;
  • johnjohnjohnjohn MegaForero ✭✭✭
    exferrariasturias escribió : »

    Mentira, es Cosworth



    SITO UFFICIALE
    www.minardi.it click

    Minardi European PS01

    _______________________________________________________________________
    Motor/Engine: European Ford Cosworth V10

    Hauptsponsor/Title Sponsor: European Aviation

    Präsident/President: Paul Stoddart

    Teamdirektor/Team Director: Giancarlo Minardi
    Teammanager/Team Manager: Rupert Manwaring
    Technischer Direktor/Technical Director: Gustav Brunner
    Photos © by European Minardi
    Postanschrift/Postal Address:
    Minardi SpA
    Via Spallanzani 21
    48018 Faenza
    Italy

    Otra cagada típica de EX. ¿Como que mentira? La propia LPE afirma en su web la participación en el motor Fondmetal y tu me traes el European, que lo más cerca que estuvo de estar en la factoría de Cosworth debió ser en Lastres.

    Además el copia-pega que nos has traido es un "fail" que te cagas y procede de:

    http://www.research-racing.de/MinardiPS01.htm

    Paginilla alemana, no italiana, de la misma dudosa credibilidad que la "japonesa" esa que decía que el European era un CR1 de Cosworth.......

    Y ya puedes resucitar al mismísimo Gabriele Rumi que me venga a susurrar a la oreja de donde sacó sus motores que no le voy a creer. Yo ya sé (y muchos otros también) de donde salieron esos motores y cómo se tuvo que buscar la vida Minardi después del "cerrojazo" de Cosworth.

    Majaderias las justas, manipulaciones solo tuyas....


  • FondmetalFondmetal Banned ✭✭✭✭
    johnjohn escribió : »
    Fuente, la propia Minardi:

    2001
    M2001.jpgModello: PS01
    Piloti: AlonsoMarques - Yoong
    Motore: European V10
    Dir. Tecnico: Tredozi
    Gomme: Michelin


    2000
    M02.jpgModello: M02
    Piloti: Gené - Mazzacane
    Motore: V10 Fondmetal
    Dir. Tecnico: Brunner
    Gomme: Bridgestone


    1999
    M01.jpgModello: M01
    Piloti: Badoer - Gené - Sarazin
    Motore: V10 Ford Zetec
    Dir. Tecnico: Brunner
    Gomme: Bridgestone


    1998
    M198.jpgModello: M198
    Piloti: Nakano - Tuero
    Motore: V10 Ford Cosworth
    Dir. Tecnico: Tredozi
    Gomme: Bridgestone



    1998 último año de Ford Cosworth.

    1999 se buscan la vida con motores Ford Zetec-R

    2000 Fondmetal mete pasta y reconstruye los motores, LPE es un subcontratada para una parte.

    2001 European hace lo propio.

    2013 Me invento realidades paralelas, y llega un momento, en el que llego incluso a creermelas, no aporto fuente alguna, pues simplemente no las tengo, pero son mis costumbres y hay que repetarlas

    Ford posee los derechos de propiedad intelectual de los motores de F1 construidos por Cosworth, pero puede perder las instalaciones de producción si CosworthRacing se vende a Volkswagen.Esto obligaría a Ford para establecer su propio departamento de motor de la construcción en Gran Bretaña. Esta idea fue discutida el año pasado, cuando Ford estaba tratando de presionar a Cosworth para producir mejores motores.
  • FondmetalFondmetal Banned ✭✭✭✭
    johnjohn escribió : »
    Otra cagada típica de EX. ¿Como que mentira? La propia LPE afirma en su web la participación en el motor Fondmetal y tu me traes el European, que lo más cerca que estuvo de estar en la factoría de Cosworth debió ser en Lastres.

    Además el copia-pega que nos has traido es un "fail" que te cagas y procede de:

    http://www.research-racing.de/MinardiPS01.htm

    Paginilla alemana, no italiana, de la misma dudosa credibilidad que la "japonesa" esa que decía que el European era un CR1 de Cosworth.......

    Y ya puedes resucitar al mismísimo Gabriele Rumi que me venga a susurrar a la oreja de donde sacó sus motores que no le voy a creer. Yo ya sé (y muchos otros también) de donde salieron esos motores y cómo se tuvo que buscar la vida Minardi después del "cerrojazo" de Cosworth.

    Majaderias las justas, manipulaciones solo tuyas....

    De mentiroso vas sobrao:

    AUGUST 12, 1996
    Ford and Cosworth

    FORD'S planned Motorsport Technology Department, announced in Detroit in January, is now up and running and its head John�Valentine turned up in Hungary to have a look at Ford's involvement in F1 amid rumors that there has been a serious split between Ford and engine-builders Cosworth over the disastrous V10 program this year with Sauber.

    There were stories in Budapest that the Ford-Cosworth relationship has reached such a low point that Ford is threatening to terminate its Cosworth F1 contract and establish its own engine design facility in Milton Keynes, England, close to the base of Ford's nominated factory F1 team for 1997-2001 Stewart Grand Prix. With the kind of resources available to Ford - financial, technological and human - this could easily be achieved in time for 1998. We also hear that Ford recently tried to buy Cosworth from its parent company Vickers but was turned down.

    All this may sound very radical - given that Ford helped Mike Costin and Keith Duckworth found the company in 1959. The legendary 3-liter Ford Cosworth DFV, and its derivatives, have scored 155 Grand Prix wins between 1967 and 1983.

    In March 1990, Cosworth was bought by Vickers PLC for around $250m, but recently there have been signs of discontent among its established F1 personnel. In May last year, for example, the company's chief F1 engine designer Geoff Goddard quit Cosworth after 21 years to take up a new job at TWR. In recent weeks two other engine designers have moved to Lola's new F1 engine company.

    Since the end of last year - when Ford redefined its aims in motorsport - there has been an ongoing study by Ford engineers into how rival corporations approach the sport, using motorsport to improve road car technology, advertise products, motivate workforces and stimulate competitive thinking within corporations.

    When Ford announced its deal with Stewart Grand Prix it said that this relationship would be a more integrated partnership than any previous F1 engine deal and would include Ford engineers being involved in chassis development, aerodynamics, electronics and other technologies.
    Los ingenieros de Ford están involucrados en el desarrollo del chasis, la aerodinámica, la electrónica y otras tecnologías.
    John Valentine's new motorsport department at the Ford Advanced Vehicle Technical Center in Dearborn now employs 50 people in five divisions: electronics and F1 (under Ford's new F1 manager Jim Winkelmann); computer-aided engineering; vehicle dynamics; testing and methods; and materials research.

    The implication of the new department is that Ford is tending towards the idea of running its own technical programs in-house to ensure the highest quality and motivation. If this logic is carried through into engine design, Ford should be looking very seriously at setting up its own F1 engine facility - which could perhaps at a later date also commercialize the engines its builds.
  • FerrariasturFerrariastur MegaForero ✭✭✭
    Fondmetal escribió : »
    No es un majadero, es un mentiroso, en un callejón sin salida, no confundas términos.

    Sigo buscando un motor construido por Ford, en la f1 desde 1968 y no lo encuentro...aunque no creo que vaya a encontrar lo que no existe<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/5.gif"/&gt;

    Pues yo creo que se los construia Fondmetal en su tunel del viento por que lo que es Cosworth jamas toco un motor de Ford

    <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/&gt;
    ford_logos.jpg
    cos_logo.jpg

    "Quiero seguir en Ferrari y ganar el tercer título con ellos, acabar el trabajo de años" 02/09/2014
    "Vengo a Mclaren para acabar el trabajo que empecé en 2007" 11/12/2014

    "Nunca volveré a McLaren". 01/12/2010
    "Dejar Mclaren fue la mejor decisión que he tomado en mi vida". 12/09/2012

    "No pararé hasta ser campeón con Ferrari". 07/09/2011
    [h=1][/h]
  • FondmetalFondmetal Banned ✭✭✭✭
    johnjohn escribió : »
    Otra cagada típica de EX. ¿Como que mentira? La propia LPE afirma en su web la participación en el motor Fondmetal y tu me traes el European, que lo más cerca que estuvo de estar en la factoría de Cosworth debió ser en Lastres.

    Además el copia-pega que nos has traido es un "fail" que te cagas y procede de:

    http://www.research-racing.de/MinardiPS01.htm

    Paginilla alemana, no italiana, de la misma dudosa credibilidad que la "japonesa" esa que decía que el European era un CR1 de Cosworth.......

    Y ya puedes resucitar al mismísimo Gabriele Rumi que me venga a susurrar a la oreja de donde sacó sus motores que no le voy a creer. Yo ya sé (y muchos otros también) de donde salieron esos motores y cómo se tuvo que buscar la vida Minardi después del "cerrojazo" de Cosworth.

    Majaderias las justas, manipulaciones solo tuyas....

    Si si claro, el cerrojazo de quien no tiene ningun tipo de derecho comercial sobre los motores.

    Pero callate ya ****,que tanta mentira ya toca los ****
  • FondmetalFondmetal Banned ✭✭✭✭
    exferrariasturias escribió : »
    Pues yo creo que se los construia Fondmetal en su tunel del viento por que lo que es Cosworth jamas toco un motor de Ford

    <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/&gt;

    No se puede retocar nada que no exista<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/&gt;

    Lo del cerrojazo de Cosworth, ya me ha matao...es la leche jajajajaj, cerrojazo de quien, no tiene, derechos comerciales, y solo es una subcontrata...jajajajaja
  • FerrariasturFerrariastur MegaForero ✭✭✭
    quote_icon.png Iniciado por johnjohn viewpost-right.png

    Fondmetal cogió un motor ford V10 (Zetec-R) que no había pasado por Cosworth y lo "reconstruyó" a su gusto. No es lo mismo un motor Ford Zetec R, que un Ford Cosworth VJ Zetec R. Cosworth modificaba los Zetec-R de Ford y Fondmetal hizo lo propio.


    Minardi re-signs with ford

    minardi made a series of announcements at monza, the most important of which was a continuation of the italian team's involvement as a ford customer team although the deal is being dressed up as "official support" from ford. minardi is expected to pay around $15m to cosworth racing, which will be owned by ford as soon as the paperwork is sorted out. the engine-building business in northampton is currently owned by volkswagen's subsidiary audi ag but a deal has been struck with ford for the racing projects to come under the control of ford.
    ford europe's motorsport boss martin whitaker says that there will be 50 cosworth engineers and technicians working on the minardi engines next year. These will be developments of the vj engine which is being used this year by stewart�grand�prix and whitaker says that cosworth will develop these while stewart will have an all new zetec-r engine, designated ck.
    Minardi also announced a two-year technology deal with gabriele rumi's fondmetal technologies company. Fondmetal�technologies operates an impressive 50 percent rolling-road windtunnel at casumaro. This has been used in recent years by both benetton and tyrrell but the benetton deal expires at the end of this year and rumi - who also controls minardi - wants to use casumaro to improve the performance of the team.
    The team has also announced the recruitment of a new sporting director with the expected transfer of cesare fiorio from prost to minardi at the end of the year. The 59-year-old former lancia, ferrari, ligier and forti team boss holds a largely symbolic role at prost and it will be interesting to see how minardi intend to use him in the years ahead.


    MARCH 27, 2000

    Two teams per engine manufacturer?

    THERE have been rumors circulating for some time that Formula 1 bosses want to introduce a new regulation which forces Formula 1 engine manufacturers to supply two teams if they are called upon to do so. Previous attempts to introduce a rule have been blocked by the bigger teams as they do not want to lose their exclusive positions with car manufacturers.
    One of the reasons that a rule may now get through is that a new tire war is about to begin as Michelin takes on Bridgestone. Car manufacturers want to cover the possibility that one tire company will have much better products than its rival and so the logical thing to do is to have one team with one tire company and a second with the other.
    Several of the car manufacturers involved in F1 are already supplying two teams although the names of the engines involved are different.Ferrari provides its old V10s to Sauber,Ford supplies Jaguar Racing and has sold its old V10 engines to Minardi as Fondmetal V10s;Honda supplies BAR and Jordan (although the Jordan engines carry Mugen badging). In addition Renault is involved in the Supertec and Playlife programs.
    "It's no good if the manufacturers come in and then three or four teams get left behind," said F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone recently. "We've got to urge the manufacturers to help a little bit in supplying engines."
    "My concern is that if the teams slip behind with their technology or engines and suddenly three or four are not competitive."

    For the 2000 season the team were forced to use 1998-spec Ford Zetec-R V10 engines, which were rebadged as Fondmetal engines in deference to his financial input.

    <cite>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minardi</cite> -

    El motor que impulsa este coche patrocinado por Telefónica es un 3 litros de Ford Cosworth V10 badged Fondmetal. Fondmetal no sólo ha adquirido el derecho a poner su nombre en el motor, pero también he hecho cargo de personal de Cosworth para mantener los motores al día.

    .The engine powering this Telefonica sponsored car is a 3 litre Ford Cosworth V10 badged Fondmetal. Fondmetal has not only purchased the right to put their name on the engine but they've also taken over personnel from Cosworth to keep the engines up to date.

    http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/380/Minardi-M02.html



    APRIL 24, 2000

    NEGOTIATIONS for the sale of Minardi to a European consortium are, we believe, in the final stages with the little Italian team likely to be sold within a matter of weeks. The buyers are believed to be intending to leave the team running as it is for the time being but there will be changes in the longer-term, probably with a new factory being set up in Britain. Giancarlo Minardi may, however, be retained to help to run the team. Telefonica, which had been negotiating a deal to buy the team, appears to have lost interest and will continue as the team's title sponsor.

    The details of the consortium are sketchy but we believe that it is led by Mark Muller, the marketing boss of the ISL software company. The price is expected to be in the region of $65m.

    In order to make the team a competitive operation, there will need to be many changes with the most important issue being an engine deal. Minardi currently uses old Ford V10 engines from 1998 but this is proving to be a big disadvantage, although the new Minardi chassis appears to be a very good chassis. The problem of engine supply is expected to be solved with some form of deal with Supertec next year. This will be a lot more expensive than the current arrangement but should enable the team to produce better results which in turn will generate more sponsorship.




    NOVEMBER 6, 2000

    HIROTOSHI HONDA, president of Mugen, has confirmed the immediate withdrawal of his company from Formula One at the end of the season.
    Honda announced that the Mugen-Honda badge will no longer supply engines in Formula One, apparently leaving Italian team Minardi in a desperate search for a new power-unit.

    Minardi, who were supplied by Ford Cosworth in 2000, rebadged as Fondmetal had hoped to secure a Mugen-Honda engine next season. But the Japanese company, who supplied Jordan in 2000, have pulled out of Grand Prix racing.


    The Cosworth Engine Saga

    In the nineties Ford engines were (re)used by several teams. Ford racing engines are manufactured at the Cosworth Racing factory (compare the Ilmor-Mercedes link). Even at the beginning of the new millennium, old Cosworth engines are still used.

    En los noventa los motores Ford fueron (re) utilizado por varios equipos. Motores de competición de Ford se fabrican en la fábrica de Cosworth
    Racing (véase el enlace Ilmor-Mercedes). Incluso en el comienzo del nuevo milenio, todavía se utilizan motores Cosworth viejos. A continuación se muestra una visión general de los diferentes tipos de motores Cosworth utilizados en la Fórmula Uno

    Below is an overview of the different types of Cosworth engines used in Formula One. Only the engine types are noted, no evolutions.
    Note that in 1995 due to new FIA regulations the cilinder content was lowered from 3500 cc (3.5 liter) to 3000 cc (3 liter). From 2004 on the engine had to last the whole weekend. In 2005 the engine this has to two race weekends.
    In 2010 designated that Cosworth's engine should be used by all new F1 teams.PS: Earlier I mentioned that Minardi used a Ford JD type engine in 2001. This is not correct. Minardi used the Ford VJ type engine (as R. Griffiths pointed out)




    Iniciado por johnjohn viewpost-right.png

    O sea que si que produjo y reconstruyó un motor. Motor quevosotros creéis falsamente que era un ford zetec-R preparado por Cosworth y yo os digo que no es así, que ese motor era un Zetec-R de Ford preparado por Fondmetal.


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    2000
    Cosworth CR-2 V10
    new design
    Jaguar
    works




    Ford VJ Zetec-R V10 (Fondmetal)*

    2 years
    Minardi

    customer


    2001
    Cosworth CR-3 V10
    new design
    Jaguar
    works



    Ford VJ Zetec-R V10 (European) **

    3 years
    Minardi
    in-house

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    1999
    VJM1 (original minardi spec) and VJM2 (high speed spec and increased power)


    2000
    VJM3 (installation revisons of a VJM2 (same power)) and VJM4 (new cylinder heads (increased power))


    2001
    VJM4 (spec from 2000)


    *

    Initially Built by Cosworth and then LPE; This was actually a customer deal run by Cosworth under the Fondmetal name


    **

    Built By LPE - run by European Minardi with ex-Cosworth personnel

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    LANGFORD PERFORMANCE ENGINEERING

    Nearly 30 years of performance engineering

    was established in 1980 and has since developed a strong international reputation for innovation, quality and service. In the early days DFV engines were built and tested for Lotus, Ensign and Tyrrell and during the late 1980-90's, LPE supplied F1 DFR engines to Ligier, Tyrrell and Onyx. DFV, DFR, DFY and derivatives of these engines are still being built and used in today's market.

    Customer HB F1 engines were subsequently supplied to Jordan, Lotus, Fondmetal and Simtek.




    quote_icon.png Iniciado por johnjohn viewpost-right.png
    Todos los motores de Cosworth son de origen Ford. Lo sabes.
    Coswoth la única diferencia que tiene sobre fondmetal es que ha hecho lo mismo pero durante más años


    MAY 11, 1998
    Benetton and Ford



    BENETTON's alliance with the Ford Motor Company appears to be over with team boss David Richards admitting in Barcelona that the Enstone-based team will be using Mecachrome engines - badged as Playlife V10s - again in 1999. Richards has been involved in lengthy negotiations in recent weeks with Ford Motor Company bosses to discuss the possibility of Benetton getting a second supply of Ford V10 engines next year because of the disappointing performances of the Stewart�Grand Prix team so far this season. Richards travelled to Detroit in the week between the San Marino and Spanish�GPs to talk to Ford bosses but was unable to get an agreement which would see Benetton using the same engines as those supplied to Stewart.

    The decision by Ford not to supply engines to Benetton does not seem to make a great deal of sense using F1 logic. Stewart still has a long way to go before it will be able to compete with the big F1 teams and the best short-term solution is to ally with a top team and thus short-circuit the need to build up an infrastructure at Stewart. To turn down the opportunity to work with a top team like Benetton suggests that perhaps Ford has a hidden agenda in Formula 1. This is quite possible as the investment needed in F1 these days - and in the future - is now so great that car manufacturers are looking more and more at ways to protect their investment in the sport. Honda is planning to build its own team and it is quite possible that Ford may be pkaying with the same idea.

    The relationship between Ford and Cosworth may also be coming to an end as there is considerable uncertainty over what is going to happen with Cosworth Engineering in the future. Volkswagen is trying to buy Cosworth Engineering as part of its bid to win control of Rolls Royce Motor Cars, but it is not clear at the moment as to what will happen with Cosworth Racing.Ford owns the intellectual property rights to the F1 engines built by Cosworth but may lose the production facilities if Cosworth�Racing is sold to Volkswagen. This would force Ford to establish its own engine-building department in Britain. This idea was discussed last year when Ford was trying to put pressure on Cosworth to produce better engines.

    Ford posee los derechos de propiedad intelectual de los motores de F1 construidos por Cosworth, pero puede perder las instalaciones de producción si CosworthRacing se vende a Volkswagen.Esto obligaría a Ford para establecer su propio departamento de motor de la construcción en Gran Bretaña. Esta idea fue discutida el año pasado, cuando Ford estaba tratando de presionar a Cosworth para producir mejores motores.

    There is also a very clear increase in the number of American engineers in the Ford F1 team and this would seem to suggest that the company may have adopted the Honda idea of using F1 to train and motivate its engineers. Using such logic one can imagine a scenario in which Ford will wait until Stewart has built up a sensible infrastructure and is competitive and will then buy the team. This might explain the strange attitude towards Benetton.

    With Benetton needing to settle on an engine supply as quickly as possible Richards returned from Detroit and decided to stick with Mecachrome for one more season. "We have a two-year deal with Mecachrome," Richards said in Spain, "and we are sticking to it." He added that Benetton has no exclusivity clauses in its contracts with Mecachrome.




    AUGUST 11, 1997

    Ford to build its own engines?

    FORD's head of automotive operations Jac Nasser indicated that the company would have to "go in a different direction" if there was what he called "outside disruption" at Cosworth Engineering. There have been strong rumors in recent weeks that Vickers PLC, which owns Cosworth, may be willing to sell the company to finance the acquisition of new companies to move Vickers away from its traditional core activities and into new and more profitable industries. The rumors had suggested that Cosworth would be sold to BMW. There have also been rumors in financial circles that the engineering company GKN may be bidding for some of the Vickers arms businesses, notably the production of tanks.

    Vickers chief executive Chris Woodwark was in Hungary and denied that there are any plans to sell off parts of the Vickers empire but this did not calm the rumors.

    It is not the first time that Ford has considered doing its own F1 engines. Exactly a year ago there were similar rumors in Budapest with the Ford-Cosworth relationship at such a low point that there was talk of Ford establishing its own engine design facility in Milton Keynes, close to the Stewart factory. With the kind of resources available to Ford - financial, technological and human - this could easily be achieved in time for the 1999 season.

    No es la primera vez que Ford ha considerado hacer sus propios motores de F1. Hace exactamente un año hubo rumores similares en Budapest con la relación Ford-Cosworth en un punto tan bajo que se hablaba de Ford establecer su propia planta de diseño del motor en Milton Keynes, cerca de la fábrica de Stewart.

    In recent months Ford has been studying the way in which rival corporations approach the sport and it seems that the conclusions are that motorsport is very useful for train young engineers to react quickly, to advertise products (Ford has just started advertising its new road cars on the Stewart F1 cars) and motivating the workforce. All these aims would be greatly enhanced by an in-house engine program to ensure the highest quality of engines and the correct motivation.

    De traca oiga de traca ....11.gif

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    zetec-r.jpg


    Type: ZETEC-R (JD, VJ, VJM)
    Year: 1996-1999. 2000 (Fondmetal). 2001 (European)
    Number of cylinders: 10
    Configuration: 72° vee, 89/48.1
    Weight: 120 kg (VJ)
    Capacity: 2998
    RPM: 15800-16500
    Power: 670-690 bhp (1997: 720 bhp - race, 730 bhp - qualifying)







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  • FerrariasturFerrariastur MegaForero ✭✭✭
    Fondmetal escribió : »
    No se puede retocar nada que no exista<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/&gt;

    Lo del cerrojazo de Cosworth, ya me ha matao...es la leche jajajajaj, cerrojazo de quien, no tiene, derechos comerciales, y solo es una subcontrata...jajajajaja
    johnjohn escribió : »
    Escucha, dos cosas.

    .- Primero: Cosworth usaba motores Ford. Por lo tanto aunque todas las unidades de Fondmetal hubiesen provenido de Cosworth (mentira cochina, lo mismo que lo de los ingenieros), previamente fueron fabricados por Ford y eso es lo que no quieres reconocer y eso es lo que yo sostengo.


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    Pues ni con esto se sostiene <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6030826/uploads/emojis/11.gif"/&gt;
    ford_logos.jpg
    cos_logo.jpg

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    "Vengo a Mclaren para acabar el trabajo que empecé en 2007" 11/12/2014

    "Nunca volveré a McLaren". 01/12/2010
    "Dejar Mclaren fue la mejor decisión que he tomado en mi vida". 12/09/2012

    "No pararé hasta ser campeón con Ferrari". 07/09/2011
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